they re called online. another 14 user saying bad time coming. what more can you tell us about this? look first of all our guys is very old white supremacist message board phrase to identify people that they thought was one of them but they couldn t say it out loud. they can t say they are white nationalists but they say all the stuff they believe. that is what the. believe storm chance, light front, all these white supremacy group believe the tucker was a guy who was able to make academic arguments on fox news, split the difference, about white nationalist causes. use bigger words for what they were saying on the message boards. get it out to people that they thought were normies, regular people. they are kind of lost. they don t really know where to go from here. this is how the far-right operates. they brainstorm, the uses places like ammo dumps. they come back, they huddle they talk to each other about what is the messaging?
how can we make ourselves look like we actually care about life how do we finesse this what is our position on abortion pills? what is our position on having a national ban what should it be? they re caught so unrepaunprepad you can see that by the way ron desantis is behaving with this bill and senator tim scott, who you would have thought would have given consideration to these questions before he got into the race for president you re absolutely right, it is going to be all culture war all the time from the republican party. in terms of the normies, i m constantly being assured, as you are, joe, you know, that, you know, the normies constitute the majority of the republican party. people in legislature, in congress, will say, most of us are normies. the problem is, they continue to empower the crazies. they continue to look the other way and let the most extreme voices in the party set the
from him even if he is indicted at this point. yeah, trump, of course, also down-played january 6th again deeming it a very important day. certainly as you say a very dark speech. let s get your analysis where things stand right now. he did win the cpac poll, that s no surprise. that was a maga gathering basically. desantis we discussed him earlier in the show right now at least he s the guy that seems to be coalescing the anti-trump forces but hasn t been nationally vetted. give us a sense where you think desantis stands right now and is there any other republican out there, someone else not on the radar right now you think could actually make a run of this? right now desantis has the best position. he is broadly acceptable at the moment to much of the maga base, not obviously all of it but much of it. he s also acceptable to the so-called normies. i think the business community seems to be, you know, open to him. many of the, you know, major donors are open to him.
clown show and the way it becomes more and more of a circus. but i also think that we need to remember that this is a may be a circus, but it poses a real danger and a threat. you know, we have this debate in the country, well, who is the real republican party? is it the normies or the crazies? what we saw at cpac with the extremists, with the straw poll win for kari lake, with my pillow guy speaking, this is what you get with another trump presidency. you don t get the policy oriented, normal republican. you may not even get trump 1.0 again. this is a pure magafied trump electorate. yes, it was shrunken and low energy, but as you point out, donald trump right now is still leading in the polls and has to be considered a very strong favorite to win the nomination of the republican party again.
back on the show. much has been made of the conspicuous absences that we have been seeing on the cpac guest list. some are calling it evidence of a split between the extremists on one side and the so-called normies in the gop, which i don t think there are any. do you think that is the right framing, or what is your understanding as to why we are seeing cpac become what it has become? well, ayman, it s so good to see you, thank you for having me back on. i think that republicans are in a massive identity crisis. they are in disarray, they are in ruin, and the problem for republicans is that these conspiracy theorists, these people who are leaders of cpac, sexual assault last suit against the ceo of it and the things that are being said at cpac are so extreme that not even republican leaders want to go to it. the problem of course is that