normative criteria. and actually be mission driven. if you re a state flagships school, or so-called a private school, then you have to vacate your admission to them if you have to let go of the criteria that unofficially exclude students. i think that is important for the future of affirmative action. we have to think about the future of this court. the court is the cause of the problem, we need to think on solutions that will solve. that that we look at the reform of the court, as the middle, saying legitimacy of the supreme court is on the line. it s been going up dramatically over the past six months. we have to get to the core problem as well. arguing before the court on monday, i would offer the advice that i black women once offered justin brown jackson, that persevere, my friend. we will keep an eye on this, love to have you back after the ruling comes. thank you so much for chris hayne and david hewitt for important conversation. coming, up the influence of at the knee