islamic prophesy, it s the site of the apocalypse. it s where the final decisive battle between muslims and nonbelievers takes place, end of the world. the terrorist group isis decided to put the idea and place at the center of propaganda for a long time. this is video of the image of the isis fighting carrying the black fight to the hillside. it s why isis named their propaganda magazine, dabiq, starting in 2014, unless october 2016 when isis actually did have a battle in dabiq and lost. syria rebels pushed isis out of the village of dabiq that isis chose to put as the center of their propaganda. awkward, of course, and the magazine was named off the prophesy about a town they now lost, so they took the easy route and renamed the magazine
given ideology represented by the islamic state, or you have a more aggressive wing of religion that believes in stamping out, eliminating, destroying, all nonbelievers. stopping an ideology is a lot more difficult than defeating a nation-state. it s a whack a mole problem. when you defeat them in one place, they pop up another plac place. 18 is a number i heard. i don t know how accurate it is. it is probably more, but let s see how it plays out long-term. you have to defeat the ideology, and then we will see. harris: what is next and all of this? we re watching what s happening in europe. i was in europe, paris, and have had so much terror there. we ve had it happen here. what is next? first you have to recognize the problem. you have to be able to talk about islamic terrorism.
radical islamic belief with the community. she conflates those beliefs. you see the media blaming memes for violence. and she says that western values are intolerant. and how can liberals believe in a belief system that is anti-gate, punishes nonbelievers, this is a bad egg. jesse: i believe she is un-american. we all know what means. it s a fight against the enemies of islam. and she s a bernie sanders
jon: benjamin, it fits the profile. it s too early to say whether this was absolutely some kind of terrorism, could just be a crazed man with a hammer. if it is a terrorist attack, it fits the profile of what isis has been trying to develop. telling their followers to pick up whatever you can and kill all nonbelievers. trying to reach benjamin hall in london, it appears we have lost our connection with him. let me restate what is going on there outside notre dame cathedral in paris. all of the tourists have essentially been pushed away after an attack on a police officer that left the attacker, who used a hammer, shot twice. melissa: we don t know the condition of the officer who was attacked. that s important to note. police put a public warning out
arab world. these we don t know yet, but i think it is highly likely that the terrorists we re talking about right now comes out of that tradition, all of them prior to this point have come out of that tradition. and while, yes, there are geopolitical issues with iran, i think it s it would be a mistake to sign on too quickly to a kind of saudi agenda, saudi foreign policy. this is one reminder that the, you know, this problem of radical islamic terrorism em na emanates out of the heart of the arab world, funded, fueled, encouraged by countries like saudi arabia and let s hope that they can now finally turn a corner, finally disassociate themselves from a religious establishment that has encouraged this kind of this kind of violence, these kind of views about westerners and any nonbelievers, but so far it hasn t happened which is why you can shoot down, shut down one particular group, whether it s