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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:46:00

and the result was just what they had asked for. heidy truman s manner of death, once undetermined, then a homicide was now officially, once again, on determined. it was man out from forensic heaven. how often do they change their findings and then change them back? i have never had a case where this has happened, ever. it took another year, but conrad truman s conviction was overturned, he was granted a new trial. i did not even think that was a possibility, for them to change it, i never would have thought that. is there a part of you that things, i can t get my own about this? that s exactly how i felt. i was beyond happy. we were just absolutely over the moon. for heidy s family, it was just the opposite we could not believe it. you thought it was over? we thought it was over, settled. that was the hard, hard moment. we hated it. we just thought, so what are they going to come up with this time?

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:55:00

they said go wash your hands. conrad s attorneys were working hard to establish reasonable doubt. and the state medical examiner shifting opinion on heidy s manner of death, only help them. that s your case right there. you would think. i mean, if he has a reasonable doubt, hard to argue a jury shouldn t. exactly. the medical examiner told the jury that in the final analysis, he didn t know the manner of heidy s death. i finalized the autopsy report with the cause of death as a gunshot wound and the manner of death as could not be determined. the medical examiner also testified how, in his experience, a contact wound like heidy s s rear in homicide cases. with a contact gunshot would, it would be consistent with the wound that is self inflicted. after 15 days of testimony, the jury began to deliberate. so you felt pretty good leading up to the verdict? yes, there was enough there beyond a reasonable doubt. was conrad having a much harder time. it was really diff

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:47:00

to the m. e., hoping to sway his ruling on the matter of death once again just as police did, prior to conrad s arrest. we gave them a bunch of information, and then he, on his own, with his investigator went to the home to look at it and the result was just what they had asked for. heidy truman s manner of death, once undetermined, then a homicide was now officially, once again, on determined. it was man out from forensic heaven. how often do they change their findings and then change them back? i have never had a case where this has happened, ever. it took another year, but conrad truman s conviction was overturned, he was granted a new trial. i did not even think that was a possibility, for them to change it, i never would have thought that. is there a part of you that things, i can t get my own

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:56:00

hands, test my hands. i did issue a gun. did you wash your hands before seeing that? no, absolutely not. never washed my hands until they said go wash your hands. conrad s attorneys were working hard to establish reasonable doubt. and the state medical examiner shifting opinion on heidy s manner of death, only help them. that s your case right there. you would think. i mean, if he has a dbt, hare a jury shouldn t. exactly. the medical examiner told the jury that in the final analysis, he didn t know the manner of heidy s death. i finalized the autopsy report with the cause of death as a gunshot wound and the manner of death as could not be determined. the medical examiner also testified how, in his experience, a contact wound like heidy s s rear in homicide cases. with a contact gunshot would, it would be consistent with the wound that is self inflicted. after 15 days of testimony,

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210808 08:47:00

the most common sight of self inflicted gunshot wounds that there are. moffat and taliaferro decided to take their findings to the m.e., hoping to sway his ruling on the matter of death once again just as police did, prior to conrad s arrest. we gave them a bunch of information, and then he, on his own, with his investigator went to the home to look at it and the result was just what they had asked for. heidy truman s manner of death, once undetermined, then a homicide was now officially, once again, on determined. it was man out from forensic heaven. how often do they change their findings and then change them back? i have never had a case where this has happened, ever. it took another year, but conrad truman s conviction was overturned, he was granted a new trial. i did not even think that

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