say for that southern border wall he might say it s a wall, whatever it is. steel slats, whether it s any number of other things. we ll have to see how that develops. it could be a wink, wink, nod, nod situations on both sides where they both declare victory and move on. leland: that normally happens in washington both sides declare victory when they agree to spend more of our money. this brings up an important point of what does this wall look like? we haven t heard that from the administration. we ve seen tweets from the president that have steel slats with spikes on top. talked about how it will be big and beautiful and do all these things. republicans in congress have told me it would be a lot easier to fight democrats on this if we actually had a plan that we are going to have a concrete wall from here to here. wealth we ll have a wall with slats. the problem is there are so many variables in terms of actually putting up a wall.