also. she s very special. and she is the real deal. when she said that she was getting off her daily talk show after 25 years, the today show had me on to talk to lester holt. i told him the same thing. oprah winfrey is the real deal. there s no you know, there s no fakeness. there s no falsehoods. she is who she is. that s why everybody can relate to her, whether they be rich or poor. she s pretty good, and a great friend. so generous and loving. i think she would be a good candidate. all right, richard, thank you so much. i appreciate your time. great to see you. and outfront now, van jones, special former special adviser to president obama and bill kristol. bill, your reaction. oprah is not shutting down speculation she could run. the president has come out and said he ll beat her. what do you make of it? yeah, i wouldn t say that her friend richard there was exactly definitive in saying she wouldn t run.