interesting period right now. so what do you make of the current state of america? well, i put an album out about i think this was in 2005, and the title of the album was liars. and i have this tendency sometimes to be a little bit prophetic in the music that i make. and at the time, it wasn t necessarily about politics. it was just about the human tendency to be dishonest in great and small ways. in other words, if someone says, how do you like my new hairdo, and you don t like it, but you say, it looks great on way. you re trying to find ways not to lie and sometimes there s no way you can t. so i made a record about all the ways that people are dishonest with each other. i never thought that a political party would make that a canon, you know, that essentially the reason why liz cheney isn t in the republican party was because she refused to lie. in other words, to be a republican means that you have to first and foremost be able to lie. and lie until you get cornere
so music goes through these cycles of like, that s a new form, that s a new genera, let s do that, then they turn it into a formula, it becomes boring, and then everybody starts looking for another genera. by the end of 80s, everybody was ready for what they called grunge music. you know, nirvana. nirvana kind of broke the hypnosis that everyone was into, trying to create music by formula. and that happens, you know, with regularity. unfortunately right now, we re kind of the doldrums. but the bright side is that we do have, you know, that global nervous system that the internet represents. and so even what would have been the most marginal artist who could never get heard at all can at least find some kind of audience. todd, you seem so much in music, and you mentioned this being a doldrums area. you re also very into politics, and i would argue that it s an