right. they just don t know. if you re somebody working closely with trump and you know, first off, the financial stuff is a problem, evidence number one of that is the fact we still haven t seen his tax returns, and second, the southern district is working quietly, efficiently, and way below the spotlight, that investigation keeps you up at night in the way the mueller investigation wouldn t necessarily do. chuck rosenberg, can you jump in on betsy s good point there and can you also, you ve said on this program before that you believe robert mueller likely has donald trump s tax returns. they re shared within the fbi s the fbi. the federal prosecutors would that lead you to believe that prosecutors and the investigators in sdny also have access to donald trump s tax returns and any other financial information? nicolle, it s hard for me to imagine having been a white-collar prosecutor, if you re doing a white-collar case in a district as sophisticated as the southern distr
out of cohen s office. chuck rosenberg, i have never sort of been able to get over the president s reaction on the day of the cohen raids, and i want to play some of it but i want to get you to weigh in first. the president clearly surprised, the president clearly scared, the president thinking he can turn this somehow to his advantage. on the mueller side, this was almost done after a point where they had so much reason to go looking for what they had that they could have done a lot of this investigation even with they knew what they were going to get. it s like you always remind us, they ask questions they already know the answers to. is that clear to you from what you see in today s documents? it is. you spoke, nicolle, about mountains and mountains. here we have pages and pages and facts after facts which detail the probable cause that the government had to search michael cohen s home, his hotel room,
let s continue with the mountain theme and switch it to a frozen mountain, an iceberg. let s say that once again, nicol nico nicolle, we re getting increasing glimpses of the submerged part of the iceberg, the part we haven t seen yet. as that becomes more and more transparent to us, we learned today, this is what popped out at me, that remember what mueller s all about. he starts as a counterintelligence, russian counterintelligence investigation, we know from andy mccabe that mccabe had added an obstruction element in there involving the president and that gets handed off to mueller and what does mueller do? he targets cohen and cohen s records and e-mails and phone records, and he does it early and almost immediately after he stands up his office. so what do i draw from that? i draw from that that russia plays prominently in this concern as well as the possibility of obstruction by the president. and mueller jumped right into that and targeted data coming
know it, he ll never be a great man. yeah. and so, he is my father was his kryptonite in life. he s his kryptonite in death. when my father was alive up until adulthood, we would spend our time together cooking, hiking, fishing, really celebrating life and i think it s because he almost died, and i just thought, your life is spent on your weekends not with your family, not with your friends, but obsessing, obsessing, over great men you could never live up to. yeah. that tells you everything you need to know about his pathetic life right now. yeah. joining our conversation, kimberly atkins, senior correspondent for boston s public news station wbur and phil rucker, white house bureau chief for the washington post. lucky for us, both msnbc contributors. let me start with you, phil rucker. i got a few theories, but take me through the relapse into mccain derangement syndrome from the man in the oval office. well, i ll see if i can do that, nicolle. i mean, trump has been