of thurgood marshall: american revolutionary. and the provocative commentary on enough: the phony leaders, dead-end movements, and culture of failure that are undermining black america and what we can do about it . host: let me begin with a book that came out 11 years ago on thurgood marshall called american revolutionary. and you write in the book he could charm a racist cop with stories and jokes. that he was capable of intimidating rivals but he had nagging doubts about his role on the supreme court. guest: it s very interesting and the difficulty of the psychology of being black in america. he was the insecurity, he was the first african-american to be on the court, understood right away that as he went through confirmation hearings you know, we ve just gone through confirmation hearings with sonia sotomayor where you think back to clarence thomas hearings oh, my gosh, minorities, women, very difficult. thurgood marshall s lasted almost three months. and his int