a under-appreciated aspect of what is going on that many of these key swing states, the party has been absolutely gutted and many of the normal republicans, including people who had been mainstay of the party are being driven up or exiling themselves or voluntari exiling themselves because who wants to be in the room with the crazies. going forward, this is a real challenge. it s hard to imagine how republicans win without places like arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. and yet in each one of these states, you are seeing the increased radicalization of the party, despite the overwhelming evidence that this is not the ticket to win back these states or the voters who have left. and in fact, the thing, nick, in places like michigan or arizona or pennsylvania or georgia, they ve got a long history of republicans who do well statewide, who do well on
theirselves as republicans and conservatives, and who are really, really bothered by this. in these states bothered by the last election, people like liz cheney were going out there you have to vote so you can fix yourselves as republicans. to nick s point, where does the fix come from? how does it happen when places like the michigan republican party actually elect an election denier who didn t do well in the last election, who lost to their state chairmanship? well, that s a great question. nobody has an answer to it. nobody has found an answer to it, because you have both a leadership problem and a followership problem, right? with the republican party, it may start with donald trump at the top, but you re also seeing this grassroots transformation. and so, you know, nick ran through a list of the heavyweights in michigan. and if the betsy devoses of the world can t fix it, it s hard to imagine who will. and i think they simply have to wait until the crazy burns
itself out and the fever breaks. guys, thanks very much. nick, great reporting on that. nick, come back in the next hour and i will definitely get it right. in corosiniti and charlie sykes. charlie and i have been talking for a few years, so i got sykes down pat. we ll be right back.
for democrats. no republican has won a election there since mr. trump won state in 2016. gop officials in the state are growing can concerned they do not have a top tier candidate to run for open senate seat, end quote. joining our conversation, the author, new york times nick coursen. i m sorry, nick and charlie sykes. nick, michigan is both conary in the coal mine and ground zero for this particular battle that we ve seen play out in arizona and in pennsylvania, and in georgia to some degree. but in michigan, it has been a complete wipeout. the pro-trump election denying crowd runs the whole scene. yeah, i think when you look at state parties across the country, they have been overrun since the 2020 election with some right wing activists.