i had a robust discussion with him. that s the sort of discussion you have when you develop a working relationship and you work well together. and what came out of that was his clarity that actually he had been talking when he used that particular phrase he had been talking about a general level of debate. indeed, i had further conversations with him through the morning. when we come back here on newsroom the future of obamacare is in jeopardy. we ll take a look at the health care law s troubled past and what might happen in the future? it s a future donald trump doesn t want to see. let obamacare fail. it will be a lot easier. i think we re probably in that position where we ll let obamacare fail. we won t own it. i won t own it. i can tell you the republicans won t own it. we ll let obamacare fail and then the democrats will come to us and then they will say how do we fix it?