2015 of his presidential prime to mark the beginning of wall-to-wall coverage of his candidacy by every news outlet. if trump makes another run in 2024, however, my next guest says we can t cover him like that again. joining me now is margaret sullivan at, media critic and author of newsroom confidential from an instinct life. margaret, it is great to see you. welcome to the sunday show. thanks so much, jonathan. thanks for having me. margaret, whether the press got a wrong in covering trump as a candidate and in as president? well we and i include all of us in this i think. we normalized him. we allowed him to spew lies and misinformation by repetition.
as i started to write what i hoped was well reasoned columns about trump s relationship with the media, i continually felt that rational anger like an undoing blast of liquid poison from an industrial strength hose. on social media, and in phone messages and an emails i received, the sheer hatred from trump supporters shocked and even frightened me. joining me now is marcus sullivan, the former columnist for the washington post. her new book, newsroom confidential, lessons and worries from an ink stained life it s now available in your bookstore or online. thanks for joining us tonight. in this book, i love this book, it s absolutely i will get in the camera. here widen orange, absolutely mandatory reading for any of us who are covering these elections. mandatory reading for any college student who s thinking of maybe doing this for a
clear at this point, and not be pussyfooting around. margaret sullivan, i know you ll be teaching it to, but i d like to ask you now to please come back and coaches through the campaign coverage, keep an eye on what we are doing right, what we are doing, wrong in the way we approach this because it is a challenge like this field has never had before thank you very much, lawrence. her book is newsroom confidential, you ve got to have. it thank you for joining, us i appreciate it. thank you. coming up, president obama has called our next guests work iconic. we will be joined by pete susan who followed president obama around the white house and around the world to discuss pete susan s new book, the west wing and beyond. that s next. that s next. there s a different way to treat hiv. it s every-other-month, injectable cabenuva. for adults who are undetectable,
finish your thought. no, you go ahead. what do you take of it, how the american government was serving the country while you were there? while i was, there i saw decent people trying to do their best to help the american people. i mean it sounds corny, but really, that s what i saw. and it s not just the appointees, there are also hundreds of people who work at the white house who stay there from administration to administration. i m talking the butlers, the groundskeepers, the chefs, secret service. we didn t know whether political affiliation was. it didn t matter. they were there to serve the president, no matter who the president was. pete souza, you have done it again. here s the book, the west wing
appointment quite yet. and here is gene sperling in a roosevelt room deciding he better move that chair to a better spot. joining us now is former chief official white house photographer, pete souza, whose book is the west wing and beyond, what i saw inside the presidency. pete, thank you very much for joining us tonight. you have done it again, i have turned every page of this book more than once. and it has that just amazing backstage feel of a documentary. that seems to be what you were going for. i wanted to give people a peek behind the curtain and show what happened. and not focus on the president but focus on the other people inside the presidential bubble that make the presidency work. we have a shot right there of the football going up the stairs of air force one. we re showing that screen for a moment.