the subcommittee was looking at the statute and seeing how it would fit in with the evidence that they had. and one of the things that they really latched onto, which for instance was the obstruction of an official proceeding statute, is you don t actually have to successfully obstruct congress. you just have to tempt to obstruct congress, and the subcommittee thought that that was a compelling argument and that was why that was one of several recommendations that they presented to the full committee. we harry, as we look at specifics here, the committee is weighing whether to recommend the three charges against for the former president. insurrection, obstruction of congress, and a conspiracy. give me your assessment of this. given what the committee has presented as evidence during the hearings? we yes. thanks, alex. i think the wildcard here is insurrection. there has been a lot of speculation for quite some time that the obstruction charge and conspiracy to defraud charge would
recommending charges for insurrection for obstruction of an official proceeding of congress and also for conspiracy. three different sources involved in that committee, deliberations tell nbc news while all recommendations are possible, a final call has still not been made. that committee is set to vote on its final report and any potential referrals on monday, before releasing its report on wednesday. meanwhile, another major vote involving former president trump takes place this week. the house committee meets tuesday to discuss time trump s tax returns as it weighs whether to make those documents public. trump spent of course, the last four, years suing to try to prevent that outcome until he lost in the supreme court. more breaking news, a federal appeals court has refused a republican effort to uphold the covid related border policy. it is known as title 42. which allowed the u.s. to expel migrants from the border. that ruling clearing the way for the by dunn administration to lif
monday. but it will be more widely distributed on wednesday, alex. okay, we are looking for to that, that s for. sure thank you so much, ali raphael. let s bring in hugo lowe. investigative reporter for the guardian, and harry lippman, former u.s. attorney, deputy assistant to the attorney general the glenn administration and host of the talking that s podcasts. welcome. hugo, first. as the january six committee is meeting this weekend, ali gave us a sense of what is on the agenda. what are you going to be looking for? we look, i think the criminal referrals for trump are always going to be the most interesting thing. because, there is obviously that parallel criminal investigation going on over to doj. and, anything that the committee has, likely the doj also has. so i think if you see the way that the committee in issues is referrals, for instance for obstruction of an official proceeding or conspiracy, you have to think that the doj is also looking at the evidence in the same wa
proceedings, even just one that night whether you re a friend of donald trump or an enemy of donald trump. we would all have to agree that he broke the law. these are pretty obvious criminal referrals. so i, think they should go forward. i think that is what the committee should recommend. so, ahead of the 16 committee s final public hearing on monday, before releasing the report on wednesday, big picture. what is the takeaway that we have learned that we didn t know before. and what is the impact overall the committee s work? we well, certainly one of the takeaways. you ve heard liz cheney talk about this quite a bit. is that donald trump himself is really at the center of so much of this, and it really does come back to him. to his behavior as an individual, his behavior as the president of the united states. that is a big takeaway. but, i think even bigger than that is the fragility of our democracy. the fact that one man can come into that office and do what donald trump did.
that the decision to be able to do this would require all committee members on board a full unanimous vote. and, chairman bennie thompson says that trump is not the only person that committee could issue these referrals for. he says, there are five or six other different types of referrals that there are other targets for. these could be people like house gop members who ignored subpoenas from this committee. these could be people who that committee believes may have intimidated their witnesses. witnesses possibly lied to that committee s investigators. and so, these are referrals that could happen on monday. they could not happen at all as a matter of fact. still a decision being debated by committee members. so, all of these looming questions happening as the committee prepares for this final meeting on monday where they will make that vote and also prepare to present a final report of their findings and recommendations. they will present that on