and ukraine as we know it is destroyed or you win and putin and his regime will be destroyed. would you agree with that analysis? i.e., there is no room for negotiation any more. it seems that this is an existential struggle which will either see ukraine or putin finished? we ve been saying that this is absolutely existential, if we stop fighting, we will cease to exist because russia has decided that we are non existent and they want to eradicate us. and erase us from the map of the world. and that means that there has to be russia s defeat, rush is weakening and russia s punishment for this absolutely illegal aggressive war that they are fighting, right now and calling it a special operation, now maybe changing a little bit
of our country, he also wants to get to the borders of 1997. so, pre expansion of nato, pre expansion of the eu, and that means he is threatening many more nations thanjust ukrainian nation. and that means that today, the security, the prosperity, the future of the european continent and, basically, the western civilisation is being decided here on our territory with the resource and with the courage and the capacity of the ukrainian society and ukrainian armed forces with which we are pushing back on the aggressor. yeah, and as we speak, interestingly, joe biden is talking in the united states and he is again expressing complete solidarity with ukraine, emphasising that putin will achieve nothing by threats and force. so, that message has not changed but it s interesting to me that while you and many
the ante and in one way we have seen it in recent weeks is the targeting of infrastructure, to the dam, and the power infrastructure in kharkiv, and even new attacks very close to some of ukraine s nuclear energy installations. these have an impact and it cannot be denied. absolutely, they do have an impact and we see that russia is not already hiding its attempts to ruin critical infrastructure and attack exclusively civilian populations and threaten civilian populations in ukraine but that means, from my perspective, only one thing that more and more and more weapons have to be delivered to ukraine and faster and faster they have to be given to ukrainian armed forces who are capably using the instruments, if they have them at hand in order to, a,
of a woman in custody. mahsa amini, who was 22, was arrested by the morality police, who d accused her of breaking strict rules on the wearing of the hijab. now on bbc news, it s hardtalk. like a gambler desperate to reverse a losing streak, vladimir putin is raising the stakes as he loses ground in ukraine. he has announced a partial mobilisation for this war which he claims is not a war and is bigging up his threats to go nuclear if necessary. so, what does this mean for ukraine and the support it relies on in the west? well, my guest is ivanna klympush tsintsadze, chair of the ukrainian parliament s eu integration committee.
surely you have to be honest to people and say despite polls saying ukrainians believe that could come within two years, it s probably not going to come for a decade or more. there s so many hoops you have to jump through before you get anywhere near becoming a member state of the eu. maybe it is time for you to be a little bit realistic about what ukraine can achieve and where europe is in terms of support for ukraine? i think i ve been very vocal in clear about any prospects for ukraine and i also believe that it is incredibly important to focus on the homework we must deliver in order to get to the state where we can knock on the door of already membership in the eu and hope in nato as a strong and capable member. if i may interrupt, president zelensky seemed