And according to recent study, travel media, technology, and Health Sectors are have the most such companies coming to one study, their shares tend to underperform market averages. However, for each of those sectors. Now as Interest Rates rise, the zombies will have to pay more to borrow and that could result in more bankruptcies. And for more in this, im joined by neils cove and from right to know hes a partner at the consulting for firm kinney, and hes been looking in into a zombie firms. Neils, thanks for joining us. Lets start off. I want to ask, can you give me an example of a zombie for him to help our viewers out here understand what these firms are . Sure, as 1st of all, thanks for having me today. And yes, it is a fair number of them that has been around for many, many years and we have taken comprehensive for an honest look across the globe and on the company. Well, we have done is, as you said, and in the intro, we have analyzed companies that have been at least 10 years on