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policy riders of the abortion, the rider to the defense department and everything else. the republicans insist their number s up around 39. the white house has been insisting that number s more like 33. they re willing to give a little bit on that. you and i have heard a behind the scenes. so what s going to actually happen here? the president says he wants to hear back from them. he s had them up here four times for these negotiating sessions over the course of the week. the president has tried to set himself apart and above somewhat from what people see as the squabbling on capitol hill over, as you ve outlined earlier in the program, the relatively miniscule amounts here. it is hard to know whether these are negotiating sessions going back and forth there, i ll see your epa and top you one planned parenthood in order for to us get a cut here or a cut there, whether this is waiting for the other side to blink sitting around the room, or undoubtedly a lot of this is optics. we see the

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