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mean, we re sending a signal to unborn generations that i think could very easily cause the collapse of the most powerful nation ever to exist. well, you know, you mentioned the word evidence, so i want to get to rich lowry, who wrote an article for politico, asking, why should democrats be content to hear from the current batch of witnesses, people who were mostly out of the loop, rather than getting testimony from the true insiders, like trump s attorney, rudy giuliani, secretary of state mike pompeo? how do you react to that? well, we do need testimony from them, from the rudy giulianis and pompeos and other people in the white house. look, i believe that there are 40 or 50 people walking around who experientially saw what happened. no whistle-blower told them. they knew what happened because they saw it in real time. and i want to remind them that there were a lot of people who