than another version ofon. the bush administration. we re goin re going to get into with mollie hemingway and charlie hurt. but focharlie r decades, we ve seen members of both parties attack t at the corhee of the america first agenda. i heard in the nation that had a serious loss of credibilitys aroundlo the world as america. first, we ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism. unrestrained nationalism is the last refuged m is of thor who cannot or will not deliver r real progresss and os, an oppory for their own people at home. well, that old regimeer comin is gone, and i don t think it s ever coming back . certainly not in the republican party. and now we have some ne some new opportunities and candidatesnald with actual backbones. we kno tw donaldru trump has wo his anti-war record is well documentedan and ron desantis. l well, we re going to seet more about what he believes on the issues that we careboth about as this campaign goes forward. but both have pretty much showne
the fallout from carlson s ouster is unclear. quote, mr. carlson s rise prefigured trump s takeover of the republican party his own conversion from bow tied libertarian to popularist remade the party. he prospered with trump s presidency he made frank nativism the primary touch stones of republican politics. if fox and its host prospered because of trump, their efforts to deny the presidential results threw the network into legal
most part who would only get hurt if you said something and his brow would furrow and you d think you hurt his feelings. but he didn t have any of these wasn t even close to what he became on fox. did you recognize this person reading the new york times they talkabout the so-called nativism, which is a fancy word for the racism quote, he prospered with trump s presidency what made frank nativism and seething the touch stones pushing the racist, anti-semitic race theory. that s different from the tucker you knew so different. he was a cheerful libertarian. the worst thing he ever did was bark at a guest from peta. pun intended. oh, yes but not appreciated by the
it s interesting, i have a chapter in my book titled which found because after robert wells, found of the brushes that he appeared on the meet the press. a lot of conservatives who support the society wrote in to nbc and what are your predecessors essentially and said you treated him horribly. this is a witch hunt. there is something to the martyrdom complex that i think we see. the sense of grievance that propels it. i think that there are ideas that we need to take seriously. there is a nativism. there is a more explicit racism that is taken hold in the maga movement. and isolationism. that is taken over. that s one of the points of her to make in the book is that these ideas have a longer shelf life. even as organizations may fade away or get constrained. the ideas live on and i think we re in a particularly
the conspiracy, the idea of a george soros plot, right, a jewish international figure, the kind of nativism and isolationism we ve seen come atop the gop. a lot of these ideas are the descendents of the john birch society. you re right, joe, they still the birchers still exist as an organization. although, there are not many left. it s not like the 1960s when they were really the epitome of far-right extremism. now it s maga. the interesting thing, too, is, and i really should have focused more on this the last five, six years, but now that you re talking about it, they d have these grand, sweeping conspiracy theories and it d be international jewish bankers, just like ron desantis is talking about now. they would, you know surrounding it all was this fear that the communists were coming to get us, right? but the deeper you dug into it