Reeling in quite a catch. we ll explain next on the read. first, golf blitzer, what s next in the situation room ? john kirby, a key white house national security official, will join me live here in the situation room. we ll discuss, get his reaction to new cnn reporting on the increasingly sober western assessments of ukraine s counter offensive, which is moving much slower than expected. also tonight, i ll speak with mark short, the former chief of staff to then vice president mike pence. i ll get his thoughts on the new indictment against grump and the possibility the former vice president could be called to testify at his trial. that s why this qb profers the new five meat beast. and this qb profers it.. anand if we profer it. we know w you ll profer it too. are you trying to outspokesperson me? maybe.
The ex-president who told some 30,000 lies over the course of his presidency? a trial date with a giant question mark around it and a defendant who can t seem to stop talking on tv is where we start with some of our favorite reporters and friends. new york times washington correspondent glen fresh is back with us. also joining us, former congressman from florida. former top national security official, mary mccord is back, and the former senator, our friend claire mccaskill are with us. david, mary, and claire are all msnbc contributors. glen, take us through what, if any interest, jack smith s team has as they prepare for trial in trump s ongoing statements. is it sort of intelligence as to how he might defend himself? what is it? i think it s a lot of things, and some of it could be used in evidence in the obstruction case according to former department
Did it cross the line of illegality, but it made the offenses that much more severe. that s a really good point, and alex, i want to bring you in on this. here s the thing, the comparison is going to be made and is being made with hillary clinton, with mike pence, with the current president when he was vice president, joe biden. but that is the point, right? they incidentally in the locker rooms or whenever they store their papers, had some classified documents. i imagine probably half the senators if you really dug in, you might find something with a c on it, but as soon as they were alerted to it, they gave it back. the explanation for why they re not being charged is that. if you go to people who did something similar in terms of not giving them back or shared them, david petraeus, military hero. sandy berger. national security official. destroyed some documents. and every single person who either disseminated, withheld or didn t return documents, they have all gotten prosec
Spoken with investigators in the special counsel s probe, and that is significant. he is the highest ranking national security official to be interviewed that we know of. but that s the key. one of the big take aways from this reporting today is that there s so much the special counsel has and has been doing that we re just learning about now. and is the trump campaign responding about this yet? they are. in a statement, the trump campaign said in part, the doj has continued interference in the presidential election is shameful, and this meritless investigation should cease wasting taxpayer money on democrat political objectives. so, they re not saying anything about the content of what we are reporting? no. instead they reverted to some talking points that we have heard from the former president over the past five or six years related to any investigation. they re calling it harassment, referring to it as a witch hunt. but there is no denial that this recording exists or our r
Just came out in this document is described as a four page memo describing a possible plan to attack iran. as i noted, there were some people working on an autobiography of mark meadows in this meeting, and meadows, in his book, describes this document is having been written by mark milley. we are told he did not produce this document. also significant, we have learned that mark milley has spoken with investigators in the special counsel s probe and anderson that is significant. he is at the highest ranking national security official to be interviewed that we know of. but that s the key from this report. there is so much the special counsel has and has been doing the we are just learning about. now is the trump campaign responding about this? yet they are. in a statement the trump campaign said, in part, the doj s continued interference in