that i have seen happen personally and it turns out that in that situation i was 100% correct and right. that person did retain their own council. because they wanted to comply and they want to tell the truth about what they had witnessed and i think when i look at mar-a-lago to be honest, with complying in coming forward, i think about them to. not only do i worry about the intimidation tactics that trump uses at over the people around him but i worry about their safety as well. very quickly carry, olivia brings up a good point. the split loyalties that this lawyer might have. junior employees, it is nice to have a lawyer paid for, but if that lawyers looking out for somebody else instead of you, there is a potential conflict there. that is right. it speaks to cassidy hutchinson s winston that she decided to switch lawyers, whether she was in fact being pressured or whether she felt like she was being pressured and that her interests were being represented, clearly when there is p
influence that the person who is paying the bills is perhaps influencing the conduct of the lawyer. that is not the way it should work but as a practical matter i think we all know it can be like that. so it speaks to her strength in having the wisdom as it sounds like olivia also advised some other folks that if they want to really truly be independent and get legal advice that is specific to them and in their best interest and in the interests of the truth, then they needed to retain their own council. carrie cordero, olivia troye, thank you both so much for helping us understand this. just ahead, as we wait to hear from the house ways and means committee with its report on the former president s taxes, we will go live to el paso, texas and cnn s ed lavandera for the latest on the shortage of migrants at the border as the biden administration asked the supreme court to end enforcement of a covid era restriction on migrants. but with one caveat we. will, explore that next. metamuc
to confirm, payments for passantino to represent cassidy hutchinson in the house select committee probe. at least that was until she was preparing to testify publicly the summer, she got a new lawyer around that time. became the star witness, now the house is publicly raising concerns about that entire set up. they have other concerns to john, with this lawyer. it is a long list. this lawyer was telling her not to recall facts. she did recall them though. not to clarify testimony that she believed was inaccurate. and something that we cast a bad light on donald trump, he told her we don t want to go there, we don t want to talk about that. that is all according to the committee that spoke to cassidy hutchinson maybe times. they never reached out to passantino, he has not been charged with any crime, but he did provide us with a statement today pushing back on this. he was saying that he represented cassidy hutchinson ethically, that she was truthful with the committee whenever he was s
they also mentioned that the secret service agents and other employees decided to hire private lawyers. they would presumably pay for themselves, or have another entity pay for them, when they had the ability to just use the agency s own lawyers for free. to represent them in the house investigation, so that is all in the summer yesterday. we are expecting a final report, a more fulsome report tomorrow, but this is something that is clearly of concern to the house. and may as well become something very much of concern to the justice department investigation. right. very soon. katelyn, thank you, fascinating reporting and perspective now from cnn legal analyst cordero for security, olivia troye, director of the republican accountability project and former homeland security adviser to vice president pence. all right carrie, just lay this out for people because i think part of this just has to do with simple lawyering. could a lawyer tell a client not to work, to say they
here john, with respect to them weight committee is doing its work because the question that is raised for me, if the committee is going to make a criminal referral for this lawyer, having obstructed their inquiry? because if they are not going to do that, then we have this space where we have an individual who is being publicly maligned, and they are not making a criminal referral and so that leaves just sort of, this open area as to whether or not they really think his conduct, or they really have the evidence suggesting that he potentially committed a crime. they haven t made one as far as we know yet. but we do know the doj spoke to cassidy hutchinson we believe, about this. olivia, given your experience with the past administration, this guy was an ethics lawyer. inside the white house. does this comport with your experience of there are adhering to truth? yeah, look at certainly does. i have actually been concern