have made. to have a former white mouse chief of staff, the first of the last democratic president is an invaluable perspective. thanks for doing it. taking it back to that job, the hardest you have had in your life. chief javelin catcher in the administration. it seems by some to be myth thol jized. it was president nixon who mill tarized the title. prior to that, that job was called appointment secretaries. president kennedy had an appointment secretary. nobody thought that the appointment secretary ran the white house. have we gone it too far in our interpretation of just how powerful you white house chief of staffs actually are? well, you are a fellow chief of staff in your service with senat senator moynahan, which was quite powerful as i recall it. you make a fair point. your history is correct.