literature and they invited the writer occasionally if he didn t have money because they appreciated the literature. where are we now compared to that? anthony: don t try that now, of course. today s new york café patrons spend both their time and their money on things like goose liver terrine. foie gras is everywhere in hungary, all over every menu, and it s good. real good. peter s going for the lamb ragu, a soup. peter: if you would look like a writer, they immediately would bring you a paper and ink. they would bring up the dictionary, whatever you were looking for. also, most people didn t have telephones at home and you could be called here, and you could get your mail. anthony: why do i want to attract writers? it s like, i need more jazz musicians in my restaurant. they re deadbeats. peter: yeah, it was a different anthony: there s no money there. peter: it was a different time. it was not simply about the money. anthony: so it was about? peter: identity.