may or may not have had, it s not how i disclose my gender to people. it s about who i am right now. i m janet mock, author of redefining realness a fierce transadvocate. and i had continue to be exactly that. that s what i was on this show to do. if i spoke out every single time that someone said called me out of my name or labelled me as something that i m not i would not have time to advocate for the fierce and urgent issues in my community. issues of poverty and joblessness, of a lack of health care, of violence, verbal and physical violence against transwomen. how does it help you, janet, that somebody like me who has been such an open supporter of the community that you represent so well and so publicly, that you target me for what you knew would be a load of abuse that then followed? you did. the tweets last night ignited a firestorm of abuse and vilification my way. you said i had sensationalized your story. i was not formerly a man or a boy.
high profile television interviewer and you feel the interviewer is mischaracterizing your identity or gender, my advice and i say this in a nice friendly respectful way is say something. don t pretend it s all gone very well and shake his hand afterwards and thank him, and then go off five days later and ignite a social media firestorm of abuse in his direction. that isn t fair either. so i don t try and equate my struggle in life with yours. the i ve had it pretty easy by comparison. your book remains a great, inspiring book. i remain a great supporter of the transgender community. i hope we can both move on from this. i appreciate you coming back on the show tonight. thank you. thank you. when we come back, jerry seinfeld. is he a victim of political correctness run amuck? this is what he said to buzz feed. i have no interest in gender or race or anything like that. but everyone else is kind of with their little calculating, is this time exact right mix?
to female or female to male. that is the legal definition of gender reassignment. i think that gender is a lot more complex. let me ask you the question. the question is, here s where i want to learn. because i don t want this to be an ongoing issue that i have with the community in which you are such a great spokesman and advocate. i want to learn why it is so offensive to actually just say that you grew up as a boy and you then because you ve always felt that you were female you had surgery to become a woman, to become a real woman as you say in the book. why is it offensive? i think that we need to have a discussion about what gender is. and gender expectations in our culture. i think that we are born and we are assigned a sex at birth. that is a matter none of us have control over. but we do have control over our defenda defendant is in and / /- destinies and identities. we should be respected. it s not about what surgeries i may or may not have had, not
just because you say it s a fact doesn t make it true. you can disagree with it. but doctors and science agree with me on this one. now let me get to the real core here. [ overlapping speakers ] let me finish. let me finish. let me finish. you re confusing sex and gender. you should really read a book on this. mark, let me finish. this boils down to a simple issue. this is fake outrage by a woman who needs to sell books, who didn t have the guts to say anything to piers because there was not a bad interview. you were incredibly gracious, piers. and i don t give you a lot of credit on this one. i ll give you full credit. she decided i m sure with her p.r. team that s watching right now and welcome to this world of selling books, we aren t selling enough. we need a fake controversy. let s attack piers morgan, drop a fake f word in there, even though we had no problem with it five days ago to sell more books. that s all this is about. hold on, ben. i wouldn t go that far. ben,
governor. it was a difficult time. people will remember it was the throes of the great recession. people were freaking out and frightened. so at the time i thought it was important to be with him, show bipartisan support. it was going to save tens of thousands of jobs in florida for teachers, firefighters and law enforcement officers. so i was happy to be there, and it was a privilege and honor to do so. i m still grateful to him. in the book, it s a little fascinating. you call karl rove a jerk after he berated you on a phone call for not appearing with president bush in 2006. do you want to elaborate on his jerkiness? sure. what happened is president bush, the younger bush was going to come to florida the evening before the election for governor in 2006 when i ran the first time. i had already, about two weeks before that, made a commitment to be with senate ever john