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Transcripts For MSNBC Morning Joe 20240707

school. with us, we have the host of way too early and white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay. and special contributor mike barnicle. we begin this morning with the questions about the police response to the shooting in uvalde. some of the key details provided by texas officials in the first 48 hours after the attack have turned out to be inaccurate. here is what has changed. texas officials first said the attacker exchanged gunfire with a school resource officer before entering the school. then later said the school resource officer engaged with the attacker but did not exchange gunfire. well, yesterday, officials now said, in fact, there was no school resource officer there at all, and the killer walked into the school through an unlocked door, unobstructed, and began firing. the amount of time the gunman spent outside before entering the school also has changed. we initially were told after he shot his gra

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:28:00

in the summertime, don t need to be told because we know the active shooter calls start coming in to us and every other news organization starting mid-august. that s the sad reality of where we are now. knowing that, that seems to me to be a key question, because why on a day when you know you ll have a lot of people coming in and out of the school, presumably parents there for all the wonderful reasons they should be there, that seems like a day you want to have a little extra protection on campus. again, the first account from authorities was that the shooter was confronted by a school resource officer, that two other local police officers were on the scene. now we know he was not confronted by anybody. he walked around the school for 12 minutes before entering the school through an unlocked door, spending more than an hour inside before he was killed. nbc news investigations correspondent tom winter with the latest details on this. thanks so much. still ahead this morning, a bip

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:06:00

calls for them to go in immediately. so if we look at the timeline, 11:40 a.m., the gunman enters the school. 11:40 a.m. the tactical team from border patrol arrives at 12:47 p.m., an hour and seven minutes. this is the heart of the question. this is the heart of the matter. did that hour lost the lives of children and teachers inside that school? do we have any sense from information from law enforcement about how this gunman proceeded once he entered the school? do we know if this delay in entering the school and confronting the gunman cost lives? it s a horrific thing to even have to ask, willie. the answer is we don t know for sure, obviously, but kerry sanders, our colleague from nbc news, reported yesterday that he was speaking to families. he was told at least one child that they knew about was understand some bodies. i apologize for even having to talk about this.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:25:00

some kind. that s what they said, that they have video of this. somebody going to be assigned to and depending on the body camera system they have this ability to say, get everybody s body cameras and let s start it at 11:28. they can view all the different views at the same time. that s the computer system. i ve seen it myself. so they would have the ability of saying, okay, what happens when? what happens where? because the timing of this is so critical. what are the steps this person takes? it s time for real, concrete information. i understand, and i don t think anybody is asking for a where did this shell casing land, or how many inches was he from this or that? that is going to take months of time to do. maybe even longer. i think at this point, we need a very clear understanding of the timeline. we need a very clear understanding of what happened. you say you called for a negotiator, then kerry asks you the question, our colleague kerry sanders, and there is no discussion in

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:07:00

but had survived the shooting, was alive when the police went in there. then later died in the hospital. so you have to wonder about that person, that little baby, and some of the other ones. you know, in medical trauma care, military medical care, they call it the golden hour. you have to get to the wounded, you know, within the golden hour to get them first aid and medical aid and surgery. obviously, that could not happen in this case. it didn t happen. it raises a lot of questions. we won t know for a while, definitively, and we may never know, but it certainly is an important question to ask, willie. ken, can you talk about that 12 minutes before the shooter entered the school? mike was raising it earlier. will we get a timeline on when the first call might have gone in? accounts have shifted so much, we don t know exactly what s right and what s not right. but there was initial reporting that the gunman s grandmother

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