there s some ? basis for this investigation. we ve got to see something. i mean, something started this investigation. what we re asking them for is is this the witch hunt that a lot of people think it is or is there a factual basis for this? i mean, what do you make of that? it s interesting. giuliani is negotiating over the president s interview with the public, with the press, thru but there s no appearance that he s negotiating with mueller or any of his prosecutors at this point in time. so i think at the point where we see mueller scheduling an interview or grand jury testimony we ll find out if this is posturing or just if it s for real. but chris, i think we all know there was never any legitimate intention on the part of this president to sit down with these prosecutors for a real interview. simply too risky for him. do you agree with that? look, i worked with rudy giuliani. i was in the same office with him. he wouldn t if anybody ever came in and said tell me what