i do believe that in the future if the possibility exists, ukraine will seek to once again apply to become a member of nato. but again, that s probably a bit down the road and speculation at this point is not very helpful. i think the first step is to end this conflict. and i think that what needs to happen to cause the conflict to come to an end is mr. putin needs to make a decision to end this conflict. he s the person that started it. it was unjustified. and, of course, it will be his decision to de-escalate and then go back to the negotiating table. and we really all would like to see that happen. okay. and the last question of the day, mindful of our time, goes to oova dreesen from tv 2 denmark. thanks. mr. secretary, the russian