or with ms13 basically. it s a demagogue s toolkit that he uses and he uses it effectively. and elise jordan, to an extent he chips away at his own credibility when he has policies like the separation policy. he talks about the wall. he talks about immigration and the most, in the most, quite frankly, degrading way to people, but some of that is appreciated by the base for whatever reasons. having said that, isn t it fair to say the policy of taking children away from their families has definitely hurt the president? nobody likes that. i can t imagine that would poll well. well, and mika, especially women that i ve spoken with who are trump supporters don t support of child separation policy, even if they support donald trump. john kasich himself pointed out
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of supporting ms 13 gang members and criminals, which is not true, but you can see how the republicans use this, and the white house is using this because of their opposition to i.c.e. wanting to create a new system to enforce the border. they are saying they support ms13. yeah. you can see how easily it can be for the white house if it wants to be completely irresponsible with the facts to demagogue the issue, and, look, this is a new issue for most democrats, and i think you ve seep a lot of confusion among older democratic elected officials over how to approach it, and there s a lot more conservative politicians scared this seeing, oh, it s a security issue. we re going to get hammered. and i think the you know, on the left, the argument is look, you have to widen the issue of debate on the issues and push as
they want to use the issue and i like the issue for election too. our issue is strong borders, no crime. their issue is open borders, let ms-13 all over our country and that is going to happen if you listen to them. you might have been talking about a different type of emotion but the imagery that the president here is trying to invoke is quite emotional. do you think that is helpful for this conversation? and it s alive. okay. no. i believe that tamping down the emotion goes on all sides. no question about it. i think one of the things i would love to see as a former legislator is regular order where each committee and each subcommittee comes up with their own bipartisan initiatives that move through the process and get to the house floor for a vote and that way, you re going to have some good bipartisan product. that is what we need right now on capitol hill and i think that the speaker of the house and the leader of the senate could make
they could do catch and release, which is what the obama and bush administrations did before them. for people who say, look, then you are letting people go into the interior never to be seen again, but when you talk about kids, you have to weigh if you a member of congress, what s about the ebetter option? we re a country of laws, not let people decide at the border what s going on. let me read to you what the president tweeted this morning about all of this. quote, democrats are the problem. they don t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they might be, to pour into and infest our country like ms13. they can t win or their terrible policies so they view them as potential voters. what does it say when the president uses words like they want these illegal immigrants