addressing the intense pressure campaign under way to get him to support a rules change in order to pass election reform legislation. chuck schumer saying the chamber will vote on the filibuster rule change by mid-january as a way to pass an election reform bill with a simple 51-vote majority. it s a move manchin and kyrsten sinema have both said they are not on board with. cnn s manu raju is live on capitol hill. you spoke with manchin today. what did he have to say about schumer s plan? he s not for it. the way this will happen, jake, in order to get a large-scale package done to change voting laws, they have to get at least ten republicans to support overcoming a filibuster or change the senate rules. in order to change the senate rules you need two-thirds majority to do that or do it along straight party lines meaning 50/50 senate, one senator defection could be enough to scuttle the effort to change the rules. joe manchin is making it clear,
significance of that and the possibility of there might actually have been some movement over the last few hours. right. i mean, this is what we got yesterday when joe manchin announced that firm in his mind $1.5 trillion top line, what we finally got were the parameters of what a negotiation would be now, and now we re seeing from the other side, this float of a number to see if that is going to do two things. move manchin and sinema in some way closer to that and assuage the progressives that there is enough agreement there that they can move forward on the infrastructure deal. here s the thing. debbie dingell is right when she says there is all this talk about the top line, but what is in this bill that is going to come to the moment of when the rubber meets the road here. if in this float from the white house and democratic leadership and what they re circling around to try to bring manchin up, if indeed let s say that does not
you re a great young political talent. you could be sitting in that chair one day. tell me exactly what that means. what does that look like? how does he compel joe manchin, who has made very clear that he s never going to vote he said again today never. how does he compel him to do that? it seems to me he is doing what he can do, which is to turn up the heat rhetorically and work behind the scenes to try and move manchin and sinema to a place where, you know, where they are willing to consider this if they can. the fact is joe manchin isn t being hurt politically in any way by taking the posture that he s taken. so, you know, i get frustrated with this notion that, well, just do something. you ve got to do something. nobody knows who is saying you ve got to do something what exactly it is that he can do.
to get a speech that that s consequential, get two votes. you re a young political talent. you could be sitting in that chair one day. tell me exactly what that means. what does that look like? how does he compel joe manchin who has made very clear that he s never going to vote he said again today never against the how does he compel him to do that? it seems to me he s doing what he can do, which is to turn up the heat rhetorically and work behind the scenes to try and move manchin and sinema to a place where, you know, where they are willing to consider this if they can. and the fact is, joe manchin isn t being hurt politically in any way by taking the posture that he s taken. i get frustrated with this notion that, well, just do something. you ve got to do something. nobody knows who is saying you ve got to do something.
a few days ago and basically all democrats will unify behind something like that and then ask manchin and sinema and others who claim that this can be done, whether they can find ten republicans. and if they can t, it becomes another proof point in what is really this process, don, that s going to go all the way on for quite a while of trying to move manchin, sinema, and maybe others off their resistance to changing the filibuster by demonstrating to them time after time that there are not ten republicans willing to come to the table. that rather than promoting compromise and negotiation, the filibuster actually makes it easier for republicans to simply stonewall because now they know they can block completely what democrats want to do. if they knew something was going to pass, then they might feel more pressure to actually negotiate. charlie, quickly jump in. just on the filibuster, look, my experience was that filibuster really facilitated compromise during my time. i would see t