criminal activities of an individual. john mitchell, the attorney general. does the motive here and i can imagine a defense of the president if in fact what happened in the comey memo actually did happen, that he was essentially trying to be loyal to general flynn or felt bad for him or whatever, the motive wasn t a cover-up of some crime, does the motive matter here? that may be the motive. but, no, i don t think the motive does matter. the problem is that it s not appropriate for the president to talk to the fbi director about any criminal investigation, let alone one that involves his campaign and his close associates. all right. jeffrey smith and amy jeffress, thank you both for your time. don t go anywhere. when we return, more details from our nbc reporter and congressman joaquin castro joining us, next.