emanuel massacre involved a person with a media and terror again of losing women to black men, right? there was a piece to what he did. we seen these other killers do it. i wonder how women you think because suburban women are the thing that both parties are both going after. particularly white suburban women. do you think this at some point starts resinating, oh, there is this desire to control us and that s where this anti abortion mania, do people start making those connections in your view? i mean, i hope so but i don t think they have yet. i mean, obviously, i think even suburban women are including suburban women are very upset about the texas abortion insanity and other laws. so i think they re getting it but i don t think they ve put it together yet. but as professor b as i know her just said, it s this line that christ church new zealand massacre maniac, the el paso
sunday school class. saw the families of these victims respond the way they did. and said, i want to turn this tragic event into something positive for this state. msnbc sarah joins me life from columbia, south carolina. we see the flag back up on that flagpole over your shoulder. explain how divided this conversation has gotten while we re still remembering those lost and murdered in the mother emanuel massacre. thomas this really is becoming an increasingly divisive and emotional issue. one side arguing that the confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride and heritage. the other side says it s represents slavery and racism. no farther than that police cruiser there behind me it has been there guarding the base of the flagpole ever since activist brie newcomb climbed up there. they face up to three years in