lackey, a loyalist and a true believer, but no one can deny his ongoing seven tralt to donald trump s conduct after today we can likely also describe him as a key witness into the multiple criminal investigations threatening donald j. trump. today when jack met boris, boris epstein, that is, one of the central figures in today s trump world is sitting down with prosecutors from special counsel jack smith s office. it is a development that is sure to inspire questions about where either one of those two criminal probes investigating the disgraced ex-president s conduct is heading the new york times reports this, quote, given his expansive ties to trump, mr. epstein is in a position to provide information in both of the investigations that mr. smith is overseeing one focused on trump s efforts to retain power after losing the 2020 election, the other centered on his handling of classified documents after he left the white house until recently, mr. epstein played a critical ro
eastman, navarro, they were all and bannon were all directing that in the manner they are so forthcoming when you press them on this and so brazen and basically confessing to their roles in the fake electors scheme that they are borrowing a page from the trump playbook yes. if i tweet it, i won t get in trouble? we heard on seinfeld it s not a lie if you believe it. it could be a crime, right? well, costanza. for trump, in his mind, i m not saying this is true but about the playbook, for trump it s not a crime or a cover-up if you confess it in advance. i m guessing jack smith will not buy that he won t but i do think that interviewing epstein is really important almost precisely because of the clip you played what jack smith is worried about is not so much can you build a case against epstein but does he
be a criminal case where the intent of the former president is so key. and even though we may all sit around and go this is ridiculous, as a prosecutor you re worrying about how do i prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. so interviewing him is definitely the first step. one other oddity here we ve heard so much about people going into the grand jury. this is not in the grand jury. this is an interview and that makes me think there was a lot of negotiation over this because boris epshteyn has a fifth amendment privilege he could have asserted, and you can imagine the defense lawyer saying, you know what, he won t assert it if he can come and talk to you like negotiating an interview with him i m listening to you and wondering if in your view having interviewed/interrogated him yourself, is he a witness more pat cipollone or rudy giuliani more bannon but as a member
of the bar he may have some greater awareness how far he wants to go. we ve seen, look, the other thing that relates when you talk about copying trump, i m not sure you want to be great at copying trump. but if you re bad at it, it s even worse you can speak to this having dealt with him, he has evaded probes you re not him you re not a former president. if you are in the muck of it it s harder to get those distancing techniques. i think, yeah, they go in thinking they re so clever and we ll see where they land. mr. bannon was convicted of defying congress something that has never happened with mr. trump. and mr. navarro is awaiting trial on the same thing. luke, i want to bring you in on some of the times reporting on this bucket of people, trump s lawyers. in emails to trump attorneys,