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umz sure these guys are using. and, again, it s not just sloppy. it s irresponsible. and, again, not to start a conspiracy theory like the russians do, but, i mean, is there is it possibly that it s deliberate? is it possible that it s like this is a way of trump communicating with the russians without actually having a phone call with vladimir putin and he s talking to him and he knows he s talking to him on these monitor calls? i don t know. it does, joyce, just kind of get me back to whether we are too easily lulled into the conviction of coincidences. gordon sondland testified and other state department witnesses testified to donald trump yacking away that it sounded like speakerphone in a cafe. i would bet my life been advised not to do that. look, there is no doubt it s drilled into you as a federal employee. if you re going to have that conversation, go into a skiff where nobody can listen to you.