supervision that must have led up to this savaged beating. these kids, we don t pop out of our parents wombs animals. it s learned behavior. either these kids are seeing mommy beat daddy or getting exposed to something at home that led them to think it was okay to break the arm of a 13-year-old boy. that is not okay. nine months of probation isn t going to cut it. they need a bigger message and bigger punishment and parents should be involved in the punishment. they have to learn how to parent those kids. that s the point i want to get to as well. i don t disagree with anything she said except in the sense we have a case like this every day all over the country and there s a distinction between an adult offender and youth or juvenile offender and often with juveniles the argument which is that let s look toward some type of rehabilitation opposed to punishment which might even be more negative. that s just the other side. i think it s a close call.