how the hell are we going to get to the moon if we can t even talk between 2 3 buildings? so they actually underwent an intraorganizational transformation, much more horizontal communication with these project managers that were supposed to be constantly talking to each other. that kind of flexible, agile system we often don t have in government. and so, coming back to germany, what i have found interesting is that because they had a strategy, they also put conditions on the steel sector, for example. in many parts of the world, including here and the us, steeljust gets massive loans and bailouts. in germany, it has been conditional on steel lowering its material content, which they have done through repurpose, re use, recycle. you ve worked on various different missions, but i note you ve worked on missions and governments in the western democratic world, mostly where you, it seems to me, unless you correct me, you ve never worked, is china. and isn t china today s great example o
mariana mazzucato, welcome to hardtalk. it s great to be here. it s great to have you here. your latest book is called mission economy. you are all about mission economics how we human beings can sort of rethink our economic policies to better meet the challenges that we, as a species, face. well, we have to. we have to and right now, over the last couple of years, covid has been the number one challenge. how would you assess the ability of our economies to meet the covid challenge? well, i think we were caught completely unprepared, as we have been with the climate crisis. you know, we have all these different interlocking crises. the financial crisis, the climate crisis, now this health pandemic. and in each case, we ve been unprepared.
in germany, it has been conditional on steel lowering its material content, which they have done through repurpose, re use, recycle. you ve worked on various different missions, but i note you ve worked on missions and governments in the western democratic world, mostly, where you, it seems to me, unless you correct me, you ve never worked, is china. and isn t china today s great example of mission economics? over the last, what, a0 years, they have completely single mindedly devoted their economic strategy to eliminating poverty, massive urbanisation, industrialisation and geopolitical reach through belt and road. that is deeply strategic, it is a mission. and it also is not encumbered by democracy. so, what should we learn from that? well, you know, you re absolutely right. i mean, i actually think china, in many ways, is leading on some of the green missions. for some years now,
is economist mariana mazzucato. her faith in the transformational power of the proactive state has made her the go to adviser to a host of governments. does her moonshot economics ignore some earthly realities? mariana mazzucato, welcome to hardtalk. it s great to be here. it s great to have you here. your latest book is called mission economy. you are all about mission economics how we human beings can sort of rethink our economic policies to better meet the challenges that we, as a species, face.
of the proactive state has made her the go to adviser to a host of governments. does her moonshot economics ignore some earthly realities? mariana mazzucato, welcome to hardtalk. it s great to be here. it s great to have you here. your latest book is called mission economy. you are all about mission economics how we human beings can sort of rethink our economic policies to better meet the challenges that we, as a species, face. well, we have to. we have to and right now,