tanks and heavy personnel carriers, and they re apparently blowing the turrets off the best battle tanks that the russians have. the t-80. the other weapon is the stinger missile, which we call a man pad or man portable air defense system. as you saw on that helicopter clip right there, low altitude shot, blew the engine right off the helicopter and crashed it into the ground. that helicopter was actually out to recover and other aircraft that had been shot down a few hours earlier. so, they had set up these surface to air missile traps. but this does, it forces the russians back up above 10,000 feet. they come to below 10,000 feet, this is very good western technology, some of the newer spinners are going to them, they re very hard to evade. we just heard from alexander vindman, who is making the point that, we can t confirm these numbers, but if they are to be believed about what the ukrainian resistance has taken