spearheading the campaign. victoria s secret has faced a lot of backlash for not being inclusive enough. and for its misogynistic corporate culture. okay. i don t know if you can redefine the word sexy. [laughs] trace: go ahead. sandra: you weigh in. trace: the backlash, you talk to the needy analysts or i take it back, retail analysts will tell you victoria s secret has been kind of pushed into a corner. they ve had a lot of backlash in recent times and either they change their tune or they die trying. sandra: i don t know. so many of these well-known brands are trying to remarket themselves over the years and try to sort of gold mainstream men change the body image that appeals to women, they want to see women more like them. doesn t always work. trace: san francisco