because there you sit in montgomery, alabama, which, as a southern city and the capital as it was of the confederacy for a time during the civil war, it s a deeply symbolic place to be, but before we get to that, let me just focus for a little while on your work as a civil rights lawyer. we spoke quite a few years ago now about the work you were doing, trying to right wrongs, miscarriages ofjustice within america s criminal justice system. i just wonder whether you feel, in the last six or seven years since we spoke, that things have gotten better? you know, it s such a difficult question, steve, because i think we ve made progress, but we ve also seen the development of things that are new threats. the united states still has the highest rate of incarceration in the world, we still have a system of justice that treats you better if you re rich and guilty than if you re poor and innocent, we still see huge disparities based on race and what kind of sentences are imposed. the pandemic h
as a civil rights lawyer. we spoke quite a few years ago now about the work you were doing, trying to right wrongs, miscarriages ofjustice within america s criminal justice system. i just wonder whether you feel, in the last six or seven years since we spoke, that things have gotten better? you know, it s such a difficult question, but we ve also seen the development of things that are new threats. the united states still has the highest rate of incarceration in the world, we still have a system of justice that treats you better if you re rich and guilty than if you re poor and innocent, we still see huge disparities based on race and what kind of sentences are imposed. the pandemic has exposed disparities based on race that reflect this long standing problem. we have won some cases that have made it easier to get some people out ofjails and prisons. we ve gotten people who were wrongly convicted some relief. there are still thousands more that need that relief. 0ur courts have actuall
as a civil rights lawyer. we spoke quite a few years ago now about the work you were doing, trying to right wrongs, miscarriages ofjustice within america s criminal justice system. i just wonder whether you feel, in the last six or seven years since we spoke, that things have gotten better? you know, it s such a difficult question, steve, because i think we ve made progress, but we ve also seen the development of things that are new threats. the united states still has the highest rate of incarceration in the world, we still have a system of justice that treats you better if you re rich and guilty than if you re poor and innocent, we still see huge disparities based on race and what kind of sentences are imposed. the pandemic has exposed disparities based on race that reflect this long standing problem. we have won some cases that have made it easier to get some people out ofjails and prisons. we ve gotten people who were wrongly convicted some relief. there are still thousands more th
and violence, we ve overcome to a certain extent legalised racial segregation and hierarchy. we re still dealing with over incarceration. but this problem of genuinely reckoning with our history, honestly understanding how we have to correct and repair that damage, we re just beginning to deal with that. well, i do want to talk at length about the coming to terms with history and truth telling, not least because there you sit in montgomery, alabama, which, as a southern city and the capital as it was of the confederacy for a time during the civil war, it s a deeply symbolic place to be, but before we get to that, let me just focus for a little while on your work as a civil rights lawyer. we spoke quite a few years ago now about the work you were doing, trying to right wrongs, miscarriages ofjustice within america s criminal justice system. i just wonder whether you feel, in the last six or seven years since we spoke, that things have gotten better?
we overcame enslavement, we overcame terrorised lynching and violence, we ve overcome to a certain extent legalised racial segregation and hierarchy. we re still dealing with over incarceration. but this problem of genuinely reckoning with our history, honestly understanding how we have to correct and repair that damage, we re just beginning to deal with that. well, i do want to talk at length about the coming to terms with history and truth telling, not least because there you sit in montgomery, alabama, which, as a southern city and the capital as it was of the confederacy for a time during the civil war, it s a deeply symbolic place to be, but before we get to that, let me just focus for a little while on your work as a civil rights lawyer. we spoke quite a few years ago now about the work you were doing, trying to right wrongs, miscarriages ofjustice within america s criminal justice system. i just wonder whether you feel, in the last six or seven years since we spoke, that things