and frankly, i was sort of surprised that he had that kind of punch back. but i think to your point, he did look unprepared for something that clearly was going to be brought up last night. he was prepared on that point that you just raise because i think there were a lot of people on the left side of the democratic party with her regard to her history as a prosecutor attorney general of california sending a lot of people to jail on minor drug crimes and marijuana crimes and the like and her pursuit of that and support of the police on that. sandra: is that moment going to hurt joe biden? i don t think there s any way it s not going to hurt joe biden. he was a target because he s 30% in all the polls so it hurts him and brings them down to 20, arguably still in the lead but if you combine the two nights, julian castro break out on wednesday along with elizabeth warren strong performance and now kamala harris, joe biden, you are seeing these are the people
so there is a time and a place. but what s happening is that we ve seen this vast proliferation in support of drug enforcement usually in this country that has produced devastating and tragic consequences for so many elderly people, young people, family pets, police officers gunned down in the line of duty. jim, let me bring you in. my last 30 seconds i have. you follow up on anything you have there. but i also wanted to ask you about the fact that will there are some 300 million guns out there in this country, and the idea of having that kind of armed populous, does that contribute to the use of some heavy duty gear and more aggressive tactics we re seeing? well, like norm said, you need armored vehicles. you have to protect the tactical officers who are some of the best in the country. a kevlar helmet and armored vehicle is protection from being shot. sometimes you want to use the armored vehicle to put your negotiator up front and to get
him there safely so he can interact with the people. so there s a need for it. norm s argument, and he makes a great point, is it s overused, especially in small drug cases and needs to be tamped b eed ba. sometimes you need to start with surveillance, which makes it safer, and even surround and call by a negotiator that says we have a warrant and you need to come out. so we need to change the tactics. former seattle police chief norm stamper, jim cavanaugh. gentlemen, thank you both. i m pretty sure this will not be the end. a wide-ranging report here. a lot to get into there. thank you both for being here. thank you. about 20 minutes past the hour now. a new debate over pregnant women s rights. a new law in tennessee will put pregnant women who abuse drugs behind bars. talk to one of the only doctors in the state who treats pregnant women who are also addicts. all really want. .is more. there s a reason it s called an all you can eat buffet. and not a have just a little bu
producing horrific consequences throughout this country. jim, what we re talking about here, the aclu found that the swat team raids involve drug searches in private homes. a couple widely reported cases where children have been injured in the middle of the night in some of these raids. so is it really the tactics, and frankly, some of this the officers are going in the middle of the night into a home. they re not sure what s there and they are being aggressive. that s right, t.j. look, no raid should happen at 3:00 a.m. in the federal service, the federal rules of federal procedure don t allow it to be served at that hour. secondly, what failed in that georgia case where the child was injured in the crib was lack of surveillance to find out what s going on there. the person they had the warrant for wasn t even present. so are we seeing, is there some shift then that is there
i find my patients are often already afraid to admit their problems and seek care, and i m concerned that this is going to either drive them from seeking care until it s way too late, or cause them to try to self-detox in an unsafe manner that s unsafe for them and for their fetus. you actually make a point there, and you say a woman who is addicted to drugs and may be pregnant, she actually quitting cold turkey, even though that might sound like the great thing to do, stop using drug drugs, too, that can actually harm the baby. explain a little bit. that s particularly true for the class of drug that we are seeing most frequently, which is opioids, such as heroin, morphine, oxycodone. that class of medication cannot be stopped abruptly without causing severe withdrawal symptoms, and though for moms,