powerful? where would they draw that power? what are the rules of the game and how did you win? that s a big part of what this book is about. it s about the washington that predated trump and the washington he left in his wake. mostly though, it s about the people. joining us now is ben terrace, the author of the big break: the gambler, party animals and true believers to win in america while they lose their mind clon. that s a long title. it s an accurate capture. i thought the last line i read is most important is about people. right? for those that don t know, and i m unabashed big fan of your work, personally, so-so, but the work is very well known in washington for being the person who actually shows you the real, not kind of the scene of washington. that s why he is so talented and why this book is so fascinating. when he set out to write this book which is not for washington types. this is for people outside of the city who want to understand why the city is so insane