between those two countries? i doubt it. i think the deterrents of economic sanctions has a hollowness to it. dana: general, i wonder what you think in terms of military strategy. last week we had a guest that said they did not believe putin would do anything right now in the next several weeks because the ground is frozen because of winter. from a military strategy standpoint or tactically do you agree with that? no. when the ground is frozen he can move his armored forces. there is a political hold-up. that s one thing. there likely was weeks ago the military condition of the kind of surface mobility that they want to have had not been established. it is being established now. i totally disagree with that premise. dana: i ve been wondering about that for several days. we ll talk to you all week. thanks. great talking to you.
indiscriminate bombing and shelling. this is a really worry. ukrainians doing hugely fantastic. there s no other way to reference it but a lot of worry about whether they will be able to keep it up and how mad putin they be and what he wants to do about all this , anderson. general clark from a military strategy standpoint, what do you think they do in terms of trying to capture kyiv and decapitate the leadership. i think they infiltrate at night. larger and larger sabotage parties. they will go after the commun communications, power system, the utilities so there s no heat in there. they will put the city into a humanitarian crisis. it will be hard to encircle kyiv because the ground is too soft.