earlier to arm the ukrainians to the teeth, more than they already are or to perhaps deter putin which clearly failed but at the moment, i think that there is very much this sense globally that the russians have miscalculated badly that putin is, based on reports, extremely frustrated if not lived about how this is all going. and from an american perspective there is very little appetite for direct military involvement or direct military involvement that can become direct for example like a no-fly zone enforcement scheme that would lead to war with russia. but, when it documents lethal aid and all the other atmospherics, including tonight at the state of the union, i think that the west and others are really standing up and sending a much more powerful message in terms of deed and in terms of words than many of us expected. bret: around the world as you point out, a number of countries are stepping up. the president of ukraine,
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bombardment, but also we certainly hope that that agreement of safe passage also allows humanitarian aid to get into those who choose to stay behind. it remains to be seen what the details are and of course humanitarian organisations and the united nations stand ready to work with the parties so we can ensure that such an operation is done in a way that is dignified, protects the civilians and is safe. you way that is dignified, protects the civilians and is safe. civilians and is safe. you say the details are civilians and is safe. you say the details are yet civilians and is safe. you say the details are yet to civilians and is safe. you say the details are yet to be civilians and is safe. you say the details are yet to be worked - civilians and is safe. you say the details are yet to be worked out | civilians and is safe. you say the i details are yet to be worked out but it s the details that matter. is there going to be any sort of military involvement in the creation of
appeal in that for the polish government. i could see the united states at some point cutting off the oil exports or the u.s. imports directly from russia. those are relatively a small part of total u.s. imports and of course we are producing more. but if the issue is direct military involvement, i thought it was very telling that president biden would not even discuss doing this air cap basically making a no fly zone out of ukraine because he knew that that would lead to a contested air space in which u.s. pilots would be facing off against russian pilots. at that point whether you want to or not you are all in. cyber warfare. you have investigated this extensively for years. we are not at full on war here
today in these protests. do you think these growing protests are impactful? will they change the minds of vladamir putin or is the russian media narrative here what do you think is happening inside russia? i think the numbers of people on the street is still very small compared to the total population. but you are seeing the beginning of the kind of unrest within russia that you would like to see. and there is actually a precedent here for both on the war crimes side and what s happening on the street. and that, of course, is serbia and slobodan milosevic who engaged in horrendous war crimes and was held responsible for those crimes in the hague. and it was the combination of very deep sanctions and admittedly, a significant military involvement by nato and