made his decision, but then once he made that decision, it wasn t his role necessarily to question it but to implement it. but others would suggest that sort of military thinking maybe didn t serve john kelly or the president in a way that it could have because it s this idea of sort of following the chain of command, and you know many suggest that perhaps john kelly should have stood up if there were disagreements that he had with the president on these controversial issues from the family separation to the travel ban when he was homeland security secretary and so on. you write what he said, military duty personnel don t walk away. fascinating read. thank you for that. thanks. to new action on the government shutdown, i want to bring in laura basso, political reporter for the washington post and also alex, political reporter for nbc news. let s talk about the political shutdown and to what kellyanne conway said this morning as what