what he believes are the elements in the public system and offers his prescription. chongqing the solutions and offering a few of our own as education historian diane ravitch. host: after words made an interesting decision and invite me to interview you because of course we know we are going to disagree but officials thought that would be interesting and so do i.. guest: if someone cannot defend what he has written to his most likely and certainly most knowledgeable critic, then he shouldn t write the book. host: first i would like to talk about your own professional history. ury lawyer, journalist guest: i never was a lawyer. host: sorry, an entrepreneur, and you ve had you wrote a book about the teamsters and most recently was about the aftermath of 9/11 and now you ve written a book debt education reform. i read the book and thought this could be the next chapter of waiting for superman, and a company. you feature the same and the hacking scandal and jonath