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me who goes swimming with some of the big sharks, i get nervous if the conditions don t look quite right. so, you know, a healthy respect for the animals and a little bit of fear is not a bad thing, but should not stop us from enjoying the oceans and certainly should not have us wanting to kill or reduce populations of sharks because we want awesome healthy oceans and that includes healthy populations of sharks. griff: dr. mike heithaus taking time from his weekend and his son s baseball game to join us. thank you, make, and good luck to your son. thank you. griff: we ve got to talk sharks and so exciting when you and i are together. aishah: because we re the shark experts. griff: you went and talking to me, i don t know, griff, should i go in the water? and you did and you are another converted person to understand these gracious, dangerous beasts can be observed in the environment without being attacked.

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