foreboding because this is really, could potentially be a make or break week for the western alliance, for american foreign policy, the post-cold war order. this could be the most momentous few days in american diplomacy in the 21st century and we will see to what extent the damage he does over the next few days. i can t imagine any benefit from this trip. the only question in my mind is how bad is the damage going to be? laura: always the optimist about trump. mike. actually i agree. laura: that s a shock. i have a sense of foreboding. it s going to be okay. i m not so certain. for 18 months, european leaders have done their level best to actually try to work with president trump and i think over the last few weeks, they been showing we are fed up. we re not going to be treated like this. we have come to your defense in the past. laura: let s see how long that lasts. it s the apocalypse. we pulled out of the paris treaty. brett kavanaugh. come on.
his america first rhetoric and criticism of nato ahead of this meeting and that s not sitting well with many european leaders. i would like to address president trump directly, who, for a long time now, has been criticizing europe almost daily for, in his view, insufficient contributions to the common defense capabilities. dear america, appreciate your allies. after all, you don t have that many. laura: i still don t get it. joining us now, matt schlapp and mike fuchs. mike, take it away. big meeting, nato. obviously the president has made clear he wants the nato member countries to pay up their old dues that they haven t paid and
mission of peace but also affirmed that firm american objective. the ultimate objective we seek with diplomacy of north korea has not changed. the complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula is the yoenl outcome that the united states will accept. questions remain over what exactly that complete verifiable denuclearization entails and what diplomacy looks will like. let s bring in michael allen, worked with george w. bush and now the managing director of beacon global strategy. also with us, mike fuchs, a former deputy assistant secretary of state for east asia and pacific affairs. now a senior fellow at the center for american progress. thank you for being here. michaelen, let s start with you. we are just not going into this summit, this meeting with a clear view of what is supposed to what success looks like on the other side.
visit a visit with the u.s. president at the end of the process. but i guess since we are already there and already here let s test this guy s intentions, see if he is for real, and see if we can do a historic break through, which i agree will take years, though. mike fuchs, there are many who would say dialogue is better than the absence of dialogue and isolation. for those of us who want to put this in the best light it is still worth reminding people of what the kim regime is about in north korea. it is an pressive, repressive, cruel regime with human rights violations that donald trump says he s not bringing up in this meeting? no. absolutely right. and the news that the president very well may not raise human rights is absolutely shameful. this is a core value of the united states and an international norm that absolutely must be on the agenda of any talks. now, that said, you don t make
peace with your friends. and so we absolutely need to be talking with the north koreans. diplomacy frankly is an essential component of any effective way to address the entire panoply of north korean threats and challenges. but we are obviously here, by meeting with the leader of north korea face to face with all the world watching, legitimatizing kim jong-un, and again, in some ways, many people will see the united states, unfortunately, as whitewashing some of the absolutely brutal human rights violations that go on in north korea if the president is not going the raise the issue. guys, thanks very much for your analysis. michael allen, former senior director for counter-proliferation strategy at the national security counsel. and mike fuchs former assistant secretary of state for east asian and pacific affairs. coming up, president trump accuses the prime minister of canada of being dishonest. you may not realize just how