did you ever send them directly to jared. i sent them to abbe lowell. they went directly to abbe lowell has he asked me to months before. six of them were about his business conflicts specifically cadre, mike facetelli, his business arrangements with his brother. six of them about conflicts. they would have taken him a minute. before he went to abbe lowell, did you try to directly contact jared or ivanka? i knew the way they brought in abbe lowell by then josh raffel, their pr guy who i had spoken to previously had left the white house. abby lowell was the new point person. i called and called. he didn t return my call. i got lowell because i asked him a question that said you seem to have a conflict, mr. lowell. he called me pretty quickly. i want to get into cadre.