like a lot of young couples and thought that we were bulletproof and thought that anybody who knew us would not believe it. and we also politics like i said is very cult-like and you get this there and you get attached to somebody and you get attached to the causes and it becomes what is the greater good, you know. you a smart person and ambitious person especially in d.c. where you have got all these triple-a personalities, all fighting for access to the viable presidential candidate, you can justify almost anything in your mind some way or another. and that is what we did. and i m sorry. mike: there is an extraordinary level required to run for office. i think i may know something about that. hopeful fly it is tempered by the people you are surrounded with so they tell you the brutal truth. i tried to make sure there was
wasn t going to like you because i said you know what, you are the guy that ratted on a person who trusted you. right. mike: and so i wasn t going to like you. right. mike: as i read the book i felt like i got to know you and saw you caught up in something that you yourself didn t even recognize until you were deep in the vortex of it. and i dragged my family into we got caught up in the politics d.c. we got sucked in. i was ambitious and hungry and wanted to be somebody who was the right-hand man of the presidented of united states. i dragged my family into a situation that i will never be able to repay for forgive enough. mike: you clearly know you messed up. that would be a polite way of saying it, yes. mike: and you probably have told him that a few times, too, right? she and everybody else. yes. this was a terrible situation for us. when we went into it we were
the backdoor is the problem and that is iran and iran s nuclear weapons and none of what president obama s policies are going to do are going to close the backdoor. in the end, no, i don t think we are made safer at all. much more dangerous in fact. mike: when two countries had nuclear devices it was easy to look at each other and say let s have containment. now, we have pakistan, probably iran, on the way, i hope not. north korea. probably israel, they haven t admitted it but we make the assumption that they may have. and we don t know who is walking around with the shoulder fired version of one that has been able to pirate it from some nation. it is a different world. and a harder world. in the cold war, the russians and americans we knew if they attacked us we could attack them back and do just as much damage and therefore nobody started a war. and our policy toward other countries was you pick a fight
politics, when i first started working for john edwards in 1998-1999 we would literally jump up and down when we would get like a $100 donation. mike: i did until the very end. [ laughter ] that was a big one to me. he did much better. by the end of this, i was literally regularly getting commitments for a million dollars. and, you know, i think with edwards being looked at by the grand jury one of the problems that they are going to have, i assume, is that when the people wrote the campaign finance law they never anticipated a situation like this and it will definitely be a case of first impression. mike: there is a possibility that john edwards could be indicted. yes. mike: you testified before grand juries to give information as to what in fact happened because there are investigations ongoing. right. mike: would it surprise you if he were indicted? no. mike: you kind of expected it at some point maybe?
under bill clinton s presidency economically. we reduced the deficit and saw jobs increase and technology advance and nafta passed and welfare reform. but we are not seeing that kind of change. this is not just party to party. no, it isn t. and i think when we look at obama s training and it is in the olinski method that i mentioned for anybody who cares to find out there is a book called rules for radicals and it is dedicated to taking down the capitalist system. there is in his background and in his agenda that aspect of dismantling the capitalist system and he is doing it quite well. mike: especially with the bailouts, the fact that government becomes not just the referee of the game but they become a player. they take off the striped shirts and put on the team jersey and pick the winners and losers. aig wins and the little guy loses.