michelle r orbs xby was one of the few blackhawk helicopter pilot that s rack. she spent four tours of duty there and eleven years in the national guard. she is on set to talk about what the journey is like. we talk about veterans coming back and what is being done for them. what is it really like? what has been your experience. it s a two-told situation you have the employers that don t really understand what you do. you don t have that typical resume, you don t have the typical title or the education that might have led somebody else to that position. it s also incumbent upon the veterans themselves to describe their skills. they tend to do their jobs and help are heaped on with a lot of responsibilities of their own age world that the outside world might not necessarily have. when you come home you really need to know how to translate the skills, put it on your resume and sell yourselves to the employers. jenna: there is a great deal of humility there, bragging, i m sure in every