issues for the times. i should tell you that joe down to this. he texas kids, dad on flip all day. and only as kids can reach him. and i field all of his calls on my smart phone. joan has a flip phone. nobody has the number. cashmere as you write it helps that then they call micah. you did say something it s important not just because it narrows it down to my kids in a few other people. it s also important for all the reasons you write about in this article. you aren t looking at your phone every 14 seconds. it does reset you, you are better in all parts of your life but, talk about how important it is. there is one thing you say that is so true that even when we try our best, the world that we
stop, joe. micah has been running through neighborhoods, booking the show with a phone right here, and has run into parked cars. i face plant on the front. i was booking our, gosh it was back for the first campaign, president barack obama. i have a vault. back in 2010, microsoft was already warning about the addictive nature smartphones. more than a decade later, things seem to have hit critical mass leading sums to make changes more lives. among them is cashmere hill a features writer at the new york times. she ditched her iphone for a flip phone, in the month of december. and loved the reset it provided. cashmere joins us now, she covers technology and privacy
yesterday at the white house for an exclusive one-on-one interview. we discuss the state of president joe biden s reelection campaign, her priorities as first lady, and the attacks against hunter biden and her family. you ve been married to president joe biden for 46 years. they have been senate races, three presidential campaigns, eight years of your husband serving as vice president. unthinkable personal loss and challenge, and now democracy is on the ballot. what do you think when you hear people say that, i just can t vote for joe biden this election. what is it that they may not know about him at this point, especially when the alternative seems to want to change this nation so rapidly? well you know, micah, when i was dating joe, one of the
election, i m terrified about what could not possibly happen. our leaders matter. who we select, who speaks for us. it affects us in ways that i think people take for granted. the fact that people think that government, man, it doesn t really movie into anything. i m like, oh my god. government does everything for us. we cannot take this democracy for granted. sometimes i worry that we do. those are the things that keep me up. former first lady michelle obama who says the possible results of the 2024 election keeper up at night. micah let me ask you, how important is it that michelle obama stays engaged from now through the election, having her voice her in voice out there.