two he is a member of the german council off experts on the integration and migration council and he s on the go all to us of the report which is just being released welcome to you now of a scene from the perspective of today how well did jimmy cool with what was then in two thousand and fifteen described as a refugee crisis i wouldn t describe it as a refugee crisis it was more of a policy crisis in the sense that both germany and the europeans didn t have adequate procedures and instruments in place to give the the mess influx of hundreds of thousands of refugees and if we look back at the policy ever since they have been very good on the integration front as you just described we have many people in the labor market but there is some merit to be done at the european level reform of asylum policy in europe is not moving forward the case would many people would remember from back two thousand and fifteen is the way the refugees were welcomed and people talk about this welcoming but no